The Liberty Blog

October 21, 2009

Who Created Human Rights?

By James Standish

Religious freedom is a universal human right. So is the right to free speech, the right to assemble, and the right to a fair trial. But where do these, and other fundamental human rights, come from?

This question has divided the movement for universal human rights for over 200 years. Proponents of the French Revolution appealed to human reason to justify the universality of human rights.  In stark contrast to the French revolutionaries, the American founding fathers appealed to rights “endowed” by our “Creator.”

History records the logical result of the divergent approaches. The French Revolution devolved into the “Rein of Terror.” Subsequent efforts to base rights on human reason—from Stalin’s Soviet Union to Mao’s China to Pol Pot’s Cambodia—all resulted in the most shocking degradation of humanity. And the Nazi’s famously based their extermination programs on evolutionary theory—claiming they were following the course of natural selection by destroying those they deemed “inferior.”

In contrast, the American concept of human rights endowed by our Creator, has led to consistent progress. From the abolition of slavery to equal rights for women, from the great civil rights struggle to protections for workers, all our moves to recognize broader rights, understood more deeply and applied in a more equitable manner have been based on a desire to more perfectly recognize and reflect the values of our Creator. 

Today, however, our rights are under assault by those who reject creation and therefore the Creator as the source of our rights.  As in every case in the past, this effort to uplift humanity by the sole application of human reasoning is having precisely the opposite effect.

For example, under the rubric of “human rights,” over 42 million babies are killed around the world each year. Over a million of these children of God are killed in America, and the majority of those American babies killed are healthy babies, to healthy mothers, conceived consensually, who have perfectly formed little bodies at the time they are killed.

Around the globe, the majority of babies killed before they are born are little girls, as societies that place a lower value on women opt to kill them when their gender becomes known. Is this killing of baby girls a fundamental human right? Or is it a crime against creation and by extension, the Creator? It depends whether we anchor our human rights in a loving Creator or the cold brutality of human reasoning.

As we look on in amazement at the trajectory of our society, we must ask how sure we are of the basis for our view of the value of human life and the source of human rights. If evolutionists are correct and all life is part of a continuum of matter winding through time without intrinsic meaning or value, then our capacity to redefine human rights is only limited by our imagination. If we can justify killing innocents, as humans we have been more than capable of doing, we can kill them. If we find family structure inconvenient, we can force a redefinition on the nation. If we want to make religious freedom a second class right, why shouldn’t we? We can do all this, and much more, and perfectly reflect our version of human rights because, after all, rights are as lacking of intrinsic meaning as are our lives.

If, on the other hand, we are created beings, we must structure our concept of human rights in relation to our Creator. We measure whether it is right to kill the innocent, not by what is convenient, but by the innate value the Creator places in His creation. We measure human morality against His word. We view our rights against His will. This does not mean we become the Taliban as some would claim, any more than Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King, all of whom appealed explicitly to the Creator of our human rights. But were Jefferson, Lincoln and King correct to appeal to the Creator? That depends on whether there actually is a Creator. And that is one of the reasons why creation is so central.

No Creator, no human rights endowed by our Creator.

So are we as Adventists correct in basing our rights on a Creator? Or is our idea of creation a quaint fairy tale, believed by children, the ignorant and the naive? Our world church has set aside Sabbath October 24, as Creation Sabbath to explore these very questions. If you are in the Loma Linda area, you’ll want to set aside Friday evening the 23rd and Sabbath the 24th to attend the live events at the Loma Linda University Church. For those of us who can’t attend the live events in Loma Linda, we can focus on creation in our local churches.

For more information, including sermon ideas and sample children’s stories, visit:

http://fscsda.org/

and

http://www.creationsabbath.net/

Make no mistake—If we give up on creation, it logically follows that we give up on the Sabbath which was founded to commemorate creation, and if we give up the Sabbath, it logically follows that we give up on the Lord of the Sabbath—our Creator God. And if we give up on our Creator God, it follows we give up our rights endowed by our Creator.

On Sabbath October 24 I hope every one of the 64,000 Adventist churches around the world will focus on creation. But I can’t control what they do. I can do my best to ensure my local church uplifts God’s masterful, wonderful, essential work of creation. I hope you use your influence as a church member, pastor, elder, deaconess, deacon, or church leader to ensure your local church does the same.

At the heart of the Adventist message is Revelation 14: “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” This Sabbath is our chance to worship the God who made our globe, and in the process, recommit ourselves to pursuing the human rights He has endowed us with.


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47 Comments

Jim Girard — October 21, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

We will be praying for you and all our church members, and uplifting “Creation” as well as the “Ten Commandments”. Thank you for sending your views on Human Rights! Jim


George Nelson — October 21, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Amen to that. I believe that God created humans and the intire universe. I certainly do not believe in evolution. Everything has a purpose and God has a purpose for everything.


jonathan — October 21, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

I appreciate and value this. But I am wondering if you are calling for individuals to berlieve in a divine creator or if you want the government to embarace this viewpoint. Such a creator must be obeyed and while it is a wonderful privilege for people of faith what would the government do to meet this objective?


Malon Bruce — October 21, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Hi James,

This is very well done. I couldn’t help thinking of all the “inferior humans” the ones born mentally retarded, physically handicapped or with some unfortunate disease.

If you are an evolutionist then you are only limited by your imagination which follows very closely with moral relativism. If it is right for them to exterminate the inferior than why not.

We certainly live in a sick sick world. Thank God we have his word to base our beliefs, our structure, our character and our entire foundation on.

As you said, if give up Creation, give up the Sabbath, then ultimately we give up God that created all. He also died for the very breath and choice that the inferior take every day.

God forgive them for they know not what they do.

Thank you for the sacrifices you make serving our Lord and Saviour.

In Christ’s love,
Malon


R. Etcheverry — October 21, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

Probably one of the simplest, clearly stated and poignant articles to come out of your organization (Religious Liberty). You are becoming a revolutionary!


Robert Smith — October 21, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

I may be wrong, but isn’t the official stand of the SDA church a pro-choice stand?

Aren’t all of the Biblical arguments made by anti-abortionist taken out of context? For example David praising an all-knowing God. If we were to take the poetry of David for our doctrines, then we shouldn’t we all worship while jumping on our couches and waving swords?

Isn’t the punishment for abortion in the Bible a fine of the husband’s choosing? (as long as no harm is done to the wife).

Aren’t we (Seventh-day Adventist) taught that human being is composed of the breath of life and the body? And doesn’t that breath of life enter the fetus at birth?

In the bible, weren’t pregnant women put to death if they committed a crime worthy of death? Then where are the “rights” of the fetus?

Don’t get me wrong, I believe abortion is wrong. But I also don’t believe the Bible says anything about the rights of an unborn child.

My point is that using abortion here takes away from your argument. I agree with everything else, but leave abortion out of it, because it is not at all clear from the Bible that being with no breath of life have any rights.


Joan Philbin — October 21, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

How sad to think that there are those who would eliminate creation and thus our Creator!! The 4th commandment is under attack, as well, which plainly describes our Creator. John 1: 1 couldn’t be clearer r/t Who the Creator is.
I thank God that He has won the battle over Satan, yet Satan persists in these attacks, and there are those who would rather believe the father of lies, than follow the One Who loves them so much.
I pray, each day, that eyes, and hearts, will be open to the truth.
God bless you for this site.
Joan


Ed Christiansen — October 21, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Spot on, James. Perhaps readers have seen on TV news, (I saw it on Fox [thank you for nodding in assent])the latest movement to come out of New York: They are posting signs (subway, etc), stating that they rely solely on the power of reason and therefore, do not need God. Flashback to France. Flash forward to the end of all things. Ed


Dauris L. Contreras — October 21, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

I liked you article. It is very iluminating. It is true that reason is important. God wants us to give Him a councious worship; a worship that uses our reason but the principles that must govern human nature cannot come from human reason.


E. Crumbly — October 21, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Nicely done, Bro. Standish! When all is said and done, everything good and righteous comes from God. Thanks for articles such as these.
You make me proud to be both a Christian and an American! God bless.


Michael DePaula — October 21, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

You guys keep doing the same tired stories again and again, apparently drinking from the same pool of ideas and catchphrases that appears to have lost its source of fresh water long ago.

You are fractally wrong on just about everything you mentioned in this blog entry. If you don’t know what that means, please google it.

It saddens me that your readership finds this sort of drivel “nourishing” in any sense of the word.


Andel Baley — October 21, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

I fully support the contents of this article. There irrefutable evidences for creation, yet most people would rather believe the lie of evolution because it carrys with it no responsibility to obey a Creator-God.


Jeff Breinholt — October 21, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

PS. Here’s an idea for you: it seems that the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens, now Yusuf Islam, got a major contract permitting the IPhone to use his song in a pitch.The song is “You Want to Be Free, Be Free.”. How many of the current inhabitants of his adopted homeland (The Islamic “Republic”) feel free? Food for thought …


James LeVos — October 21, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

The truth of Creation is definitely central to the concept of human rights and our freedoms. The Sabbath is central to our worship of the Creator God and is logically the point of attack of the powers of darkness. Creation by a God who loves us enough to give His only begotten Son to take our place on the cross that we may be free to choose eternal life again is the source liberty of conscience. The Sabbath is the only commandment that identifies Jehovah God as our Creator and therefore links God-given human rights with the God-given right of freedom of conscience.

Do you have any comments on the solution that Pope Benedict XVI is proposing to promote the concept of charity in truth for the rights of the poor of the world. In his latest encyclical he is proposing radical solutions to the economic and moral crisis we find ourselves in. He is calling for a worldwide “political authority” that has “real teeth” to enforce ethical human rights laws to insure that the poor working class are not cheated of their right to a decent life and proper remuneration. This involves redistributing the wealth from those who have too much to be given to the have nots by this world political body which will be endowed with real power to make it happen.

Since political entities need help to know the truth about the most loving thing to do and since truth is the exclusuve domain of the church (I presume he means the Catholic Church) therefore the Church will define what should be done and the World Government will enforce her dogmas. I have paraphrased these thoughts but I believe I have the correct understanding. Any Comments?


ACLTony — October 21, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Excellent, and very well stated. Sad scenario is that so many Christians, including Adventists are either in a state of sleep, feel helpless, or have backslid on their faith. I have struggles myself, but I keep remembering that God does not change and the “naysayers” need to see that every prophecy in the Bible, particularly Revelation and Daniel is being fulfilled.


Vince Christensen — October 22, 2009 @ 12:23 am

I’m not sure if life is a right or a simple fact and a bonus if others are courteous enough to respect my space. Rights are one thing having others respect them is quite another. There can be no rights without laws to define and protect them and there can be no laws without reason and purpose. There are many confused people in our age of “enlightenment” who suggest we are righteous enough to take evolution to the next level and help ourselves design a better future filled with rights and responsibilities. If randomness and chance brought us this far how can we now insert plan and order and expect it to succeed?

To entertain the thought that we are the product of a cosmic roll of the dice is to go against all observable construction. How many buildings have you seen make themselves? Does order come about as the product of an additional force in nature we just can’t measure much the same as dark matter? And if there is such a force then would it not be intelligent and purpose driven? Science is coming close to saying there is a God but many scientists feel uncomfortable with the implications so it must be called something else. They are constantly searching for euphemisms.

Deep within each soul is the foundational reasoning that says there must be a God out there somewhere. Intricate attempts have been made to bury that primal layer of common sense but it can never be removed.

There is a great sense of freedom enjoyed by those who allow the evidence of God’s handiwork and providence guide them through the confusion and heartache of this present existence.

You bring up rights. Does anyone really have rights be they the product of deductive reasoning or Divine endowment or do we just have existence with challenges? The only right we have is the right to defend ourselves through the merits of Jesus Christ. No government can give or take this away.

All issues orbit this one great truth. Through exercising this basic right we have all good things and are thus invested with truth worthy of discussion and proclamation - whatever the topic.


Adrian — October 22, 2009 @ 12:38 am

Good point in a society of relativism and creationism censorship


Marie — October 22, 2009 @ 1:22 am

Very good article! thank you !


Brian A. — October 22, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Of course atheists can and do cite plenty of historical examples where governments that gave lip service to (or even endorsed) religion similarly stripped people of “God-given” rights.

Are you contending that that has never happened?


Robert Morriss — October 22, 2009 @ 9:27 am

Our church (Lake Wales Seventh Day Adventist Church in Florida) will be celebrating Creation weekend Starting Friday evening at 7:00 PM and ending Sunday afternoon.


Nic Samojluk — October 22, 2009 @ 10:26 am

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James,

I am impressed with the way you connected several issues which are being currently discussed among Adventists: Creation, Evolution, Human Rights, and Abortion. I am glad that the church has decided it was time to set aside a special Sabbath for the celebration of Creation and that my local church in Loma Linda has arranged for influential speakers who will be speaking on these issues. I have a question for you: Do you think that any of those speakers will dare to include the topic of abortion in his/her presentation? The reason I am asking this is because the topic of my doctoral dissertation was: “From Pro-life to Pro-choice: The Dramatic Shift in Seventh-day Adventists Attitude Towards Abortion.” My dissertation is online, but the majority of my fellow Adventists are avoiding the topic like it was a plague. Here is the link: http://sdaforum.ipower.com/page13.html

My investigation revealed that the issue of abortion was the main topic of discussion in the pages of our “Ministry” magazine up until the church approved our “Guidelines on Abortion” which justified the killing of the innocents under a variety of circumstances, including incest, rape, malformation, when the pregnant female is a minor, and even when the unwanted pregnancy affects the mental health of the woman. Following the publication of said guidelines, a dead silence followed in our publications, and only recently the topic was opened in a few Adventist blogs. Here are two examples, where the abortion is being discussed:

http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/index.php?topic=3053.0

http://www.adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/282324/Is_the_Adventist_Church_Really.html#Post282324

My last question to you: Do you think that our official position on this issue is in line with the teaching of the Bible? Sometimes we refer to the killing of the unborn as a form of therapy. Is this a therapy for the unborn? Would the defenders of such therapy accept the treatment for themselves? Just wondering!


Kevin — October 22, 2009 @ 10:50 am

I am thankful Brother James did not use the word “murder” in his assessment of the killing of the unborn. I appreciate his anaylsis to think in terms of the value of the unborn. For too long the Christian Church has done great damage to their image and to their arguments over abortion by calling it murder and placing the reason as due to the immortality of the soul and personhood at conception. The Bible is silent on abortion in that there are no clear cut commands nor illustrations making such claims. Thus, our anyalysis and arguments must come from what is clear: we are created by a benevolent Creator and redeemed by that same Creator. His actions towards our race is one that demonstrates infinate value of mankind. Where personhood begins may be unclear biblically, the value of man is not, and out of that realization we act on not only abortion, but all things that impact people in a way that devalues or degrades them.


Larry Maddox — October 22, 2009 @ 11:56 am

Very well put, my brother


Alan Reinach — October 22, 2009 @ 11:56 am

Right on! Increasingly, we are witnesses to the absurdity of seeking to craft a logical basis for rights out of thin air. Postmodernism offers nothing solid, only relative truths, and hostility towards anyone believing that truth is objective. There is a reason the first angel calls the world to return to the worship of the Creator.


Yvette Remfort — October 22, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

Only one person can install all the magnificent wires in our body: The creator. The spirit of relativism that lead atheists, and negligent thinkers to rely on the theory of evolution to disown creation, need to reflect on the fact that no products can ingeneereed themselves like a watch for example, and no manufacturer sends them out there without a guide on how it functions; like God giving us the Bible as our anchor and guide. Therefore,the so -called naturalists,who allowed themselves to bathe in unbeilef need to try not sleeping for sometimes and see if the law which govern the body and what the Holy spirit has prescribed in reference to our body will not dictate their sleep. They need to obey or give the commandments of God a tests without prejudices, instead on the laissez faire mentality,like they would if they were so adament on getting the results of their own lab report from their doctor; or validating experiments even more so as scientist validating their lab results based on their hypothesis and so on, or more effectively so they do not have to cry ” Rocks fall on me like verse 16and 17claim in Revelation 6
God bless You!
Your sister in Christ
Pastor Yvette Remfort


Matt — October 22, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

Good article. It shows the consistency of SDA doctrines.


Francis — October 22, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

This blog has two purposes in educating about the source of human rights and the piggy-back goal of promoting Creation Sabbath. I want to commend James Standish for addressing an important distinction so succinctly. The basis on which we rationalize the source of human rights functions like a religious belief that guides all governmental and societal action, whether or not that theory of rights has to do with the existence of God.

The brilliance of the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment is that it does not allow our government to legislate religious beliefs but leaves such to each man’s conscience to determine their truthfulness. The Founders declared their belief that all rights derive from a Creator and then limited government so that it was prevented from legislating even that belief. Without those limitations on government, all theories on the divine or only human origin of human rights will result in the tyranny of religion or the tyranny of an ideology. James Standish’s blog here has struck a cord that has profound implications we should all pursue with deepest interest.


Cheryl B. Frye — October 22, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Creation is very important, especially in the great controversy between the God of Heaven and satan. Satan will have the entire world believe there’s no right or wrong. We must keep ever before us that there is a right and there is a wrong. Just like we see the weeping willow tree blow on a bright sunny day, there’s a force that blows on a bright sunny day as well…. Now, enough glorification of satan.

Let’s give all the HONOR, GLORY, and PRAISE to the God of Heaven, who is the very obvious CREATOR, in that, the sun continues to rise and set, the rain continues to drop along with the periodic rainbow to assist the christians in remembering the promise from God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, and to reflect on many other beauties such as the lilies, the tulips, the roses, the sunflowers, and I could go on and on, as well as the seasons continue to change from winter to summer. What I’m trying to say is, “don’t let the trival things of this world be magnified to the point where we as christians often lose sight of the Creator Himself. We must continue to remain steadfast, in particular during the closing scenes of earth’s history. Don’t worry about things you yourself can’t change. Maybe you can’t change them because “you’re not suppose to”. Allow the God of Heaven to continue to work on our/your behalf and continue to give God “our Creator” all of the GLORY, HONOR, and PRAISE,….. “after all, He’s due that respect as Our Creator”. We respect our parents, both dad and mom, then “shouldn’t we not hesitate, not even for a moment, to disrespect/blasphemy “Our” God of Heaven, who is the Creator as well.

May God richly bless us as we are constantly being challenged each seconds regarding our beliefs, not only on the jobs, in the home, but also in the churches. Take care and don’t give up on God. He hasn’t given up on you! (Smiles)


Nic Samojluk — October 22, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Malon,

On 10/21/09 you posted the following statement which forced me to think a little bit deeper into the abortion policy of our country. Here is what you wrote: “This is very well done. I couldn’t help thinking of all the “inferior humans” the ones born mentally retarded, physically handicapped or with some unfortunate disease.”

Here is what I asked myself: If the U.S. Supreme Court were to adopt the Adventist “Guidelines on Abortion” as the accepted policy of the country, how would such a move impact the abortion industry? Would it change? Remember that our guidelines allow for the killing of the unborn human beings under a variety of circumstances, including rape, incest, malformation, when the pregnant female is a minor, and even when the unwanted pregnancy is affecting the mental “health” of the woman. All the woman needs to tell the abortionist is: “This pregnancy makes me feel terribly depressed,” and bingo, another innocent human being is executed.

Remember also that one of the largest abortion clinics in California is owned and operated by an Adventist in regular standing with the Adventist Church. He evidently thinks that he is providing a valuable service to his patients within the abortion guidelines approved by the Adventist Church. So again: What would change if our Adventist guidelines on abortion were adopted by our U.S. Supreme Court? Would a reduction in the number of abortions follow?

Besides, let’s not forget that a few years ago our “Ministry” magazine reported that five of our church owned medical institutions were offering ELECTIVE abortion services to their patients. Why not, since our abortion guidelines are not prescriptive, but rather suggestive. Each of our medical institutions is free to adopt their own guidelines. Haven’t we, the “Remnant” church of God, perhaps done to the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue what Rome did to the Fourth?


Nic Samojluk — October 22, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Robert,

You are right, the Adventist Church did adopt the pro-choice position on abortion. I had my doubts about this when I began my doctoral dissertation about this issue. I spent thousands of hours perusing our Adventist publications starting with 1970 and ending in 2006, especially our “Ministry” magazine. I concluded that the Adventist Church did make a fundamental shift towards the pro-choice of this issue as a result of a crisis which developed when the State of Hawaii legalized the practice of abortion three years before Roe v Wade.

Half of the staff at said institution were not Adventists, and they demanded the right to offer ELECTIVE abortion services to their patients. Management objected to the killing of innocent unborn children and those doctors threatened to take their patients elsewhere. This created a financial crisis, and the Adventist Church yielded to the economic pressures for fear of having to close their hospital.

Your argument that the Bible does not condemn abortion is questionable. First, modern Bible translators render the Exodus passage in a different manner than that of the King James’ version. Here is how it reads:

22“If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurelye but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.”

Notice that the monetary penalty is for a premature birth, but the death penalty for the death of the unborn infant.

You other argument if questionable as well. Adam and Eve were not created the way we are. Their life started at the moment of creation; while our life starts at the moment of conception. Adam and Eve began taking oxygen at the moment of creation; we, on the other hand begin to take oxygen way before birth.


Nic Samojluk — October 22, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Kevin,

On 10/22/09 you posted the following comments: “I am thankful Brother James did not use the word “murder” in his assessment of the killing of the unborn. I appreciate his analysis to think in terms of the value of the unborn. For too long the Christian Church has done I am thankful Brother James did not use the word “murder” in his assessment of the killing of the unborn. I appreciate his anaylsis to think in terms of the value of the unborn. For too long the Christian Church has done great damage to their image and to their arguments over abortion by calling it murder and placing the reason as due to the immortality of the soul and personhood at conception. The Bible is silent on abortion in that there are no clear cut commands nor illustrations making such claims. and placing the reason as due to the immortality of the soul and personhood at conception. The Bible is silent on abortion in that there are no clear cut commands nor illustrations making such claims.”

Would you conclude that our Adventist pioneers did “great damage to their image and to their arguments over abortion by calling it murder”? Are you aware that for two thousand years the Hyppocratic Oath ruled the medical business by its fundamental principle that physicians should do no harm to the human beings under their care? Said oath did not allow doctors to kill their patients. Their mission was healing instead of killing. This fundamental principle of respect for the value of human life was inherited by the Adventist pioneers from their respective religious traditions. Do you believe that by compromising on the meaning of the Sixth Commandment our church made a moral move forward or rather backwards?

Let’s remember that Jesus came to our planet that we might live, while women who choose abortion kill their own unborn children for the sake of convenience. Abortion represents a way of excluding a specific group of human being from their right to life. This is contrary to the essence of the Gospel, which is an effort to include people among those entitled to the gift of life.

Satan works on the principle of excluding people from their fundamental rights, while Jesus works on the opposite objective. For thousand of years humanity deprived women and slaves of their rights. Today the same attitude has deprived fifty million babies of their right to take their first breath.

An unwanted pregnancy might be very inconvenient, but after nine months the ordeal is over and a woman can opt to give the baby for adoption. The aborted baby is deprived of a similar option. The effects of abortion are irreversible, while the effects of abortion are only temporary. I hope you see the difference.

By the way, the Bible is not silent on abortion. Read my previous posting, and remember that the Sixth Commandment is very clear about shedding the blood of innocent human beings.


Todd — October 22, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Awesome article!


Elder Romel Viel — October 22, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

Dear Commissioned Minister James,

I just want to say this to you: ‘keep on keeping on!’

Sincerely,

Romel Viel,
Seventh-day Adventist Christian Elder, and NARLA Student Member.


E. Crumbly — October 23, 2009 @ 12:38 am

It’s unfortunate that one of the above-mentioned writers would refer to these articles as “drivel”. Apparently, the person who gave such a
response feels it is necessary to move beyond simple criticism & dismiss Mr. Standish & the readers with such personal attacks. Obviously, this individual has regrettably fallen in the trap that numerous people in this day & time have fallen into;taking logical, reasoned discussions & degenerating them into name-calling. At the same time, Christ also died for these people too & many Americans have
served their Creator & God to help provide the freedom to all of us in
this country to express ourselves, even when our opinions differ.
God loves you, sir, even though you choose to denigrate others. Peace!


E. Crumbly — October 23, 2009 @ 1:04 am

I believe Mr. Standish is simply stating the facts & sharing his Christian beliefs. In essence, he is following the “Great Commission”
found in Matthew 28:18-20, specifically when Jesus said “Go ye therefore, & teach all nations” (verse 19). As history has shown us, (unfortunately) there are times when governments at times pass laws that conflict with God’s laws but believe they are doing Him a service. Everyone has the power of choice to use for good or evil. While Sis. White in the Spirit of Prophecy advises believers against political entanglements, we are to be the Lord’s witnesses against injustice/evil & for truth wherever we live. Our witness is much more effective when it is consistent in our words & actions.


Nic Samojluk — October 23, 2009 @ 9:28 am

Kevin,

On October 22, 2009 @ 10:50 am you wrote: “I am thankful Brother James did not use the word “murder” in his assessment of the killing of the unborn. I appreciate his anaylsis to think in terms of the value of the unborn.”

My question to you is: What shall we do with our Adventist pioneers who did use the word “murder” to describe the practice of killing the unborn? Notice how they expressed their views about abortion:

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James White
Quote:
Few are aware of the fearful extent to which this nefarious business, this worse than devilish practice, is carried on in all classes of society! Many a woman determines that she will not become a mother, and subjects herself to the vilest treatment, committing the basest crime to carry out her purpose. And many a man, who has as many children as he can support, instead of restraining his passions, aids in the destruction of the babes he has begotten. The sin lies at the door of both parents in equal measure; for the father, although he may not always aid in the murder, is always accessory to it, in that he induces, and sometimes even forces upon the mother the condition which he knows will lead to the commission of the crime. [2]

John Harvey Kellogg
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The idea held by many that the destruction of foetal [sic] life is not a crime until after “quickening” has occurred is a gross and mischievous error. No change occurs in the developing human being at this period. The so-called period of “quickening” is simply the period at which the movements of the little one become sufficiently active and vigorous to attract the attention of the mother. Long before this, slight movements have been taking place, and from the very moment of conception, those processes have been in operation which result in the production of a fully developed human being from a mere jelly drop, a minute cell. As soon as this development begins, a new human being has come into existence–in embryo, it is true, but possessed of its own individuality, with its own future, its possibilities of joy, grief, success, failure, fame, and ignominy.

From this moment, it acquires the right to life, a right so sacred that in every land to violate it is to incur the penalty of death. How many murderers and murderesses have gone unpunished! None but God knows the full extent of this most heinous crime; but the Searcher of all hearts knows and remembers every one who has thus transgressed; and in the day of final reckoning, what will the verdict be? Murder? MURDER [sic], child murder, the slaughter of the innocents more cruel than Herod, more cold-blooded than the midnight assassin, more criminal than the man who slays his enemy–the most unnatural, the most inhuman, the most revolting of all crimes against human life. [3]

J.N. Andrews
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One of the most shocking, and yet one of the most prevalent sins of this generation, is the murder of unborn infants. Let those who think this a small sin, read Ps. 139:16. They will see that even the unborn child is written in God’s book. And they may be well assured that God will not pass unnoticed the murder of such children. [4]

Uriah Smith
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You show me a church that fails to take a stand on political issues that involve moral principles, [6] and I’ll show you a church that is spineless, irrelevant, and morally bankrupt. . . . No issue is too controversial for us to address and honestly in pages of our church paper. [7]

Ellen G. White
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If the father would become acquainted with physical law, he might better understand his obligations and responsibilities. He would see that he had been guilty of almost murdering [8] his children, by suffering so many burdens to come upon the mother, compelling her to labor beyond her strength before their birth, in order to obtain means to leave for them. [9]

Source: http://sdaforum.com/page114.html


Winston — October 23, 2009 @ 10:20 am

Bro. Standish names many problems. Big problems. Abortion. Sabbath desecration. Evolution. But how does he propose to solve these problems? A law on the books of the government of the United States?

We stand against religious laws. The church must inform of these problems, brother, but through the powerful testimony of evangelism. Not through the power of the Congress. That is for the beast to do. Not for the people of God.

Amen?


James Schlup — October 23, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Hi everyone, A further comment on the Sabbath and Creation. Some, even among Adventists try to believe in Creation and the Sabbath while at the same time embracing a form of evolution. They state a believe that Genesis 1:1 could embrace millions even billions of years while the earth was evolving from “without form and void” to what followed during the rest of Creation. Vers one states “their was darkness on the fact of the Deep and the Spirit of God hovered over the Waters. The word “deep” in the Hebrew is also translated as “great sea” composed obviously of “water” Verse one also states that “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” In Exodus 20:11, the same authour, Moses, dictating what God said as he pronounced the Sabbath Commandment, “For in six days, the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is.” “Heaven and earth, the sea” and “light” were created on the first day; and “all that in them is” on the following days. Note that day one began with “darkness” over the face of the deep, followed by “And God said, ‘Let there be “light”, and there was light.’and the evening (dark) and the morning (light) were the first day.”


Raul De Vargas — October 23, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

“From the abolition of slavery to equal rights for women, from the great civil rights struggle to protections for workers, all our moves to recognize broader rights, understood more deeply and applied in a more equitable manner have been based on a desire to more perfectly recognize and reflect the values of our Creator.”

It should also be noted that the greatest opposition to each of the above was done in the Name of the Creator.


Greg Carr — October 24, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

A well balanced analysis by James Standish. If there is no Creator then we set up ourselves as a God and our human reasoning is absolute. Very scary considering that we are fallen human beings. As James pointed out history bares this thinking out in outrageous acts against our fellow human beings. That is why this last message of mercy to our world (Rev.14:6-12) is to bring back men to a realization that his reasoning must be held responsible to the law of God.


pjs — October 26, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Brother Standish ~

What a valid, thoughtful, and thought provoking article. Thank you for your prespective. I especially appreciated paragraphs three and four which state:

“History records the logical result of the divergent approaches. The French Revolution devolved into the “Rein of Terror.” Subsequent efforts to base rights on human reason—from Stalin’s Soviet Union to Mao’s China to Pol Pot’s Cambodia—all resulted in the most shocking degradation of humanity. And the Nazi’s famously based their extermination programs on evolutionary theory—claiming they were following the course of natural selection by destroying those they deemed “inferior.”

In contrast, the American concept of human rights endowed by our Creator, has led to consistent progress. From the abolition of slavery to equal rights for women, from the great civil rights struggle to protections for workers, all our moves to recognize broader rights, understood more deeply and applied in a more equitable manner have been based on a desire to more perfectly recognize and reflect the values of our Creator.”

Thank you so much for this piece. God bless you.
pjs


pjs — October 26, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

To Alan Reinach ~

You wrote on October 22, 2009 @ 11:56 am:

“… Increasingly, we are witnesses to the absurdity of seeking to craft a logical basis for rights out of thin air. Postmodernism offers nothing solid, only relative truths, and hostility towards anyone believing that truth is objective. There is a reason the first angel calls the world to return to the worship of the Creator.”

AMEN

God bless you.
pjs


pjs — October 26, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

To Michael DePaula ~

You wrote on October 21, 2009 @ 7:49 pm:

“You guys keep doing the same tired stories again and again, apparently drinking from the same pool of ideas and catchphrases that appears to have lost its source of fresh water long ago. You are fractally wrong on just about everything you mentioned in this blog entry. If you don’t know what that means, please google it. It saddens me that your readership finds this sort of drivel nourishing in any sense of the word.”

WHAT?!

What are you talking about? What is your problem? Everyone of your blogs, that I have read, are always so harsh, so immature, and so negative.

Michael you need Jesus. I encourage you, I urge you, give your heart, your life, to Jesus. Please contact me and I will be happy to help you find your way to Christ. You can email me at: gowith831@yahoo.com.

God bless you!
pjs


Brenda Adams — October 27, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Thank you for this article. It was a blessing to me.


Winston — October 28, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Again, the question must be asked. What are you asking of us? Do you wish to see this recognition of the Creator added to American law? How shall this be accomplished?

There are very good sentiments but it is unclear what you want to do.


Yvette Remfort — October 29, 2009 @ 3:07 pm

I wonder what the previous leaders of America based the constitution of the land on for us to keep mumbling on whether or not the Law of God should not take precedence over human theory and opinions.
Pastor ,Yvette Remfort


daniel — October 31, 2009 @ 12:02 pm

Excellent article. Where i am stayingn now, the govt. pays lip service to “rights”, but the truth is that money trumps all.

There are no “rights” for any of us sin-polluted humans except the right to eternal death. But thank God, that thru Jesus he is recreating us as his sons and daughters (unborn ones too).


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